I have been looking all over for either of these games for my kid. Been to probably 5 different forums looking for them as well, and no luck. Just wondering if anyone actually might have them at all. Or know of a way I can get a hold of it short of paying the $15 per, as I am a disabled person, and have no spending money that is not accounted for in meds and housing and care. Any help would be appreciated much by both me and my 4 year old. Got a hold of a copy of "Crayon Physics Deluxe" and she loves playing it, and I even enjoy some of the thinking needed to complete the levels for all stars.